The Websites of the Big Shots of House Forsaken

The following is the website of HF big shot Tass:


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Here is the website of HF big shot Wuyley  

House Forsaken in TDZK Before the Scandal

A little known fact is that the great browser based game TDZK that flourished during the years 2001-2007 was created by 2 members of the House Forsaken multi-game clan, Jerle & Hotaru. Both of these worthies had been members of the House Forsaken alliance in Space Merchant that played under the name of the "Trex Mercenaries." TDZK was inspired by Space Merchant and was soon a much better game than what SM ever was. However, there was a problem: getting their follow HF members into the game. Back in the Fall of 2001, in one of TDZK's earliest rounds, if not in fact its very first round, there was a Top Ten ranked HF alliance under StormFire aka the longtime #3 guy in all of HF. HF then failed to maintain an alliance in TDZK for over a year.

Finally, after some prodding from Jerle & Hotaru I decided to take HF into TDZK. To do that I first had to resign as the in-game leader of the HF alliance in SMR and hand over the position to my talented protege there, Omega Renegade. Then I posted to both the HF Browser Based Gaming (BBG) Realm & the General Discussion Forum (GDF) about taking HF back into TDZK. Posting on the GDF proved to be a mixed blessing since while it attracted a number of talented players to the game, it also attracted the interest of a senior HF member named Jewel who proved to be both a cheater as well an incredibly ineffective alliance leader and an idiot to boot.

However, the HF alliance initially thrived. For instance it moved up in the alliance rankings from #49 to #39 in just one day. Meanwhile, our close allies the Shadow Knights (SK's) under Malhavoc also moved up the alliance rankings from #65 to #42 in just about one day was well. Recruiting went so well that we set up a new alliance, House Forsaken 2, that served as a recruit/training alliance. I decided to make myself the leader of HF2. I still remained the overall leader of the HF forces in TDZK. My preference for the leadership of the main HF alliance was an experienced veteran of BBG's such as either DarkFlare or DracoLichB, however both declined the honor. Since Jewel really wanted that position and his shortcomings were not yet apparent, he was picked.

Both of the House Forsaken alliances along with the SK's rapidly became a force to be reckoned with. According to my notebook from this time (Yes I still have my gaming notebooks from such games as Diaspora, Dominion, Merchant Empires, Planetarion, Quest for Yap, Solar Empire, Space Merchant & SM's wretched "close clone" SMR & SpaceDog's unsuccessful Trade Wars like BBG The Merchant among others. Do you?), the main HF alliance ranked #19 while HF 2 ranked #22 and the SK's ranked #28. However disaster struck in mid-March, 2003, Jerle informed me on ICQ (In a conv that I inexplicably failed to cut & paste to email) that he had, and not for the first time, caught both Hyperion & Jewel running multi's. On top of that, he also caught Hyperion right in the act in some other act of something even worse than mere cheating: Hyperion was using his multi-account in a childish attempt to start a war between the HF/SK forces and a powerful alliance called Iron Ring. And this despite the fact that we were already in a war with the powerful Dark Realms alliance.

It was at precisely this point that everything went to Hell.

Hotaru's Resignation from House Forsaken & its Aftermath

Hotaru's Resignation from House Forsaken:

Hotaru
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Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2003 4:46 pm Post subject: House
Forsaken member resignation.

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I am officially resigning my status as a member of
House Forsaken. I have met many friends here, but I
must take my leave now.

I've never been really good at being subtle, so I'll
be blunt. I can't stand to be affiliated with a house
that cannot fulfill its own rules. In light of recent
events, this is the first time in my three years of
membership that I have been ashamed of being a member
of this community, and since nothing seems to be in
the works as a solution, I bid you all adieu.

You all know where I am if you ever want to talk.

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Hotaru's resignation from HF was followed up by this by Pinkus aka Krioni, the head of the Browser Based Gaming Realm:

crector and hotaru were actually upducted
from their beds and brainwashed. Thats why they are
leaving...

As for my "leaving" that did not come about until 5 days later when I was formally expelled from HF under the direct orders of HF's Founder-Leader UsuRpeR who made an incredibly vitriolic post, that among other things, claimed that I was 100 times worse than Hitler. I really wanted remain in HF at least until TDZK would reset when I would form a new alliance and take as many of the HF recruits from SMR & TDZK as I could with me. By the time of my expulsion, I was already talking to many of these recruits such as Bakito, Bink, Chaortis, Desert Fox, Dragonte & Sgili, conversations that would eventually lead to the founding of the Knights of the Galaxy (KOG).

However, the KOG is another story for another time.

Classic OMGN News Post: House Forsaken Website Screw-Up

House Forsaken Website Screw-Up
By: Charles Rector | Other | 6:23pm, September 7, 2005
The website for the online gaming group House Forsaken has been down for the past few days. Visitors to it receive this message:

House Forsaken
This site is down for maintenance.
Please check back again soon.
No peeking!
Forums: http://forum.houseforsaken.com

However, if you access the forums URL, you will soon find up that the situation is far worse than "down for maintenance."

Here's the forum announcement from "Administrator" Aeon:

Yes we lost the forums.
Long story short:

The backup was corrupted. I recovered as much as I ccould, but what I could recover.. was mostly worthless.

I apologize. I've spent the last 18 hours trying to fix it / rebuild the database.

If you see it here, I was able to save it.

I wish I could say I can think of something that was really important and Im upset I did not save:

On a brighter note: this saves a lot of my clean-up.

The database was almost 400 megabytes and really killing the server.

Most users wont have to re-register. If you're a newer member.. You will.

According to Rheem Octuris, the cause of the destruction of the old forum was:

It seems while Aeon was backing up the forum and converting to the new one, the server went down and some of the tables were corrupted.

I recommend going back and reset all your settings. They probably rolled back a few months.

The same thing happened back in late 2000, except the culprit that time was Maddog. Back then, HF was still a strong gaming clan and as such was able to survive the ordeal with minimal loss in membership. Since then, it has deteriorated to nothing more than a glorified forum clan. Now that the central hub of all clan activity has been zapped, it will be most interesting to see just what kind of impact that it has on HF.

House Forsaken Forum Thread: 24 on fox

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24 on fox
hows this season?
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11-06-2002, 01:32 AM #2
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i never like that tv series, its just not that interesting

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i went to highschool with the hot blond that was on popular mechanics for kids, i was in grd 9 and she was in grd 11... shes really hot in real life, no fakeness.

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I voted no. The whole idea of having a show based around what a guy does in 24 hours time is utterly unrealistic, especially since every episode is action-packed. All that action without the hero spending a good part of that 24 hours asleep.......
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crector - sometimes people can stay awake for 24 + hours. Especially in times of crisis. The first season he had his wife and kid abducted or something like that ( never really watched the show), in addition to everything else he had going on. Would YOU sleep with your wife and kids lives on the line?
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Depends how well I made my bed that morning. If I made it well, it would be hard to pass up.
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rofl!!! thats gold.

House Forsaken Forum Thread: Im developing a fps game

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Im developing a fps game
Hi, Im the founder of a group developing a fps game. Were looking for people to add to the game and help in its development in any way. The funnest part of making a game is getting to play and improve it. If anyone is interested in developing first person or 3rd person multi player games and is dedicated enough respond to this post and tell me about your skills and intentions. :shock:
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Hoda! Get on IRC some and have a chat with RVD, I know you're busy but we need to see more of you to start your recruitment process.

As for helping to develop a game, I'm very interested, but could you elaborate on the skills/experience needed? I've got the time and effort to do it, never tested a game though.
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Great
Ok ive been idling forever now. Ill just stay in #forsaken so RVD gets around to talking with me.
Id like to make our project House Forsaken endorsed :D
As far as skills needed. The most valuable skill REQUIRED is the ability to learn and adapt. I like to do as much as i can find the time to do. I make models maps skins and textures as often as i can. There are no rules, the only limit to your involvment is your imagination. I do offer a equal share of everything to members of our group.Were developing with commercial success in mind. And i prefer a written contract for serious members. I also would like to see more than just the one game weve been planning made. Theres just too many good ideas that are so completly different to put in just one game.
BTW- Testing your game is the absolute funnest part of development.
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I'd be willling to put in some time to help with this, I'm just not sure where to go from here...
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directions?
I know i didnt give a complete description of our group. Were still in start up mode. We have a few web-pages up but nothing worth putting in your favorites and going too. I maintain an IRC channel on gamesnet (#mercs). Im planning on moving that too our own irc server or using another chat client. The best thing for anyone who wants to get involved to do is too communicate with me as much as you can. untill we get a nice php website with community support well have to play it by ear. I will always have the internet and im not going anywhere so dont worry about me disapeering EVER. I look at everyone as an individual and i never forget anyone who wants to help us. I keep e-mail info on everyone and maintain a irc channel (#mercs)for now.
About taking positive actions. Youll need to gear up both mentally and in software. I highly suggest the both of you obtain 3ds max 4.0 and get slightly aquainted in the meantime between actually getting signed on, and getting pre-pared. If your skills are specialised in coding or 2d graphics we should talk more in depth about where you can apply your skills. I can teach you anything i know how to do. And ive got alot of experience to share. Making a game can be a headache in the enormous scale of work to be done. Its kinda like making a movie or writing a book.
my permanent e-mail is mailto://tribes4u@insightbb.com
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about the only part I'd probably be able to help in is testing. My knowledge in the other areas you have mentioned thus far are slim to none.

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I'm also interested and I have some beta tested some games before though not this early in development and not fps. I am willing to learn and give it a try though.
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beta testers
Ill give the whole clan my game for free. Beta and alpha and all official testing will be done during development, by the developers. Id like to make my game free, and id like to see house forsaken support the game when its finished. But honestly beta testing isnt really helping too much. Im making the game, ill be fully cognicent of any issues which may arise.
Some things cant be tested by the developers alone though. Im looking for developers, people who want to add to the application.
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i love you hoda







i would like to be involved, but i would need to see if i am of any use besides beta testing. if i am shown how to use a program properly, i can do neat stuff... anyway, i would like to see what you have in mind before i give my go.

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cough cough, I don't mean to bost but I know how to use 3dsmax4.0 =D I used to be real good at it. So ya I just need to install my "Completly Legal" copy of it, uhg ya...

so ya any idea of what kind of stuff I could work on...I'm better at static stuff, like non character animation
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The plan dude
Ok one of the things i like to avoid is characterising something that dosnt exist. I can tell you what i plan, what id like to do, what i set out to do, but honestly theres nothing stopping us from implementing every desired feature and function. So Yes i have a plan for the games specifics, but i like to keep things loose as far as just plans go.
The plan for M.E.R.C.S (Mechanized Expandable Robotic Combat Systems[mechs])includes a FPS interface with a role-playing style persistent gameworld and character. Were going for A futuristic multi-planet universe like atmosphere. And hopefully the game will be filled with a diverse blend of vehicles weapons and items. The most interesting thing you should know is the planned in-game clan features. House forsaken would function as a clan in-game and items and equipment location and clan strength will all have an impact on the games dynamics. House forsaken would own planets, set tax rates defend territories and train and recruit in-game. For a reference to graphic quality and gameplay think tribes2. I know this sounds like a enourmous ammount of work, But ill do it all myself even if it takes me years. :shock:

TO AGENT SMITH: Great ill get you renders of all my models and meshes asap. Just so you can see where im at for modelling skills. What well need to do is break up some of the model detailing work. Skinning and animating after making the model has become very time consuming. If your better at models id like to skin and animate and let you do the majority of the mesh design and vice versa.
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I have a basic knowledge of programming in c++, but ideas for a game I can do just fine :P Sign me up
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10-17-2002, 05:13 PM #14
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Great Zolt, Im happy youve decided to do this. Its good you have c++ skills thatle help you to get a grip on everything. Well we'll use house forsaken's forum as a place to chat casualy for now. Welcome aboard Zolt. Theres alot i need to talk to you about. You should start thinking about game ideas.

Agent Smith welcome aboard m8y, i hope you like to model vehicles and weapons. Ive been doing most of the modeling and i hope you can take some of this weight from my shoulders. I just learned how to model myself so im sure youll bring alot to our talent pool.

Sincerely, Hoda
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Hoda, get on IRC now :twisted:
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Is that a miracle? did Hoda come from the heaven above?
Hm.. all I can say is Welcome to House Forsaken, and thanks for sharing this interest with us. We'll try our best to help out

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ok, so here's the thing character models = me sucky sucky, but I could do vehicle models and gun models without much problem =D just send me a pic or something like that of what you want it to look like, the only problem I might have is with skins for them, because I think that my burnt copy of max doesn't have the skins on!!! anyways I've got driving school so I'll hafta try to install max later

oh and get ICQ or something for ease at tranf files, I have MSN and ICQ or even MiRC

Doh I lost my 3ds max copy, time to d/l another completely legal one yes....muhahahah..
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Usk, he's a BF1942 recruit, err, at least he will be once he gets to talk with RVD
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10-17-2002, 06:30 PM #19
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AHHHH
 Man ive been waiting for an interview for like 2 weeks, i can wait as long as it takes ther is no rush with me. But i dont want to seem lazy or uninterested so im gonna try and get interviewed tonight. I decided not to play tournament cus of all the hacks and cheats out there. But ill love helping with training drills and tactical excercises in bf1942.
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Your best chances of catching him is to idle in #bf1942, as a matter of fact he's there right now.
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I'm sure you'll do a pretty fine recruit and member.
Welcome among us

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i uninstalled BF1942 because i did not like it
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from the screenies of BF1942, it didn't look very impressive either =[
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it reminded me of RTCW, which means i don't think the game'll last =/
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i would like to get into this, i have C++ knowledge as well, dont think that would help much : )
*Some people say war doesn't solve anything.
*Prehaps they're usin the wrong strategy.
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Awesome. Ill look forward to working with you. Just keep tabs on this thread for now. No urgent rush on anything rite now. Im glad to know your all interested in making this project your own. :o
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hmm
wow... Sounds like a very concrete plan you have there. Looks like there's a future for this.

I'll be keeping a look out!

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mechwarrior online I guess
if you are using the similiar model from your website

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Sole and Trix you couldn't be more wrong, you understand me? especially trix, cause trix is always wrong its one of his gaytrix powers...
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Quote Originally Posted by Agent Smith
especially trix, cause trix is always wrong its one of his gaytrix powers...
You couldn't be more right. BF1942=boo

I'm not rude, you're just insignificant.
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10-17-2002, 11:42 PM #31
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Flames of retribution
Ah yes and the flames burn on! BF1942=fun.
If they release map and model tools itll probably acquire a long-term fan base. generaly speaking bf1942 is pretty advanced in its rendering features. if you notice you can see a great distance and render objects at any level of detail. Its highly optimised.

Quote Originally Posted by Gun Lok
mechwarrior online I guess
if you are using the similiar model from your website


Whats better than tanks, guns and giant walking robotic death machines?
Coupled with a persistent game world and in-game politics you get a fantastic warfare simulation platform.

HERE ARE SOME RENDERS OF MODELS CREATED FOR M.E.R.C.S
http://www.mercs.go.ro/screenies/screenies.zip[/b]
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10-19-2002, 07:20 PM #32
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Web development
We will be starting web development tommorow. Well have a web-page with forums available for all of our developers to communicate with. Weve also decided to expand our web-page into a general technology and gaming news resource. Like the planet sites hopefully we can generate some revenue to pay for better hosting etc. If anyone is interested in sharing some ideas about how we can capture the publics attention please dont hesitate to share.

:oops: -Due to gross incompetence well be delaying web dev. Not for long though. The guy who's responsible for web dev is skating on thin ice.
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10-22-2002, 08:23 AM #33
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redemption
The dood who was handling web dev has decided to hand it off on another team mate. So we have finally begun work on our web-site. Im overwhelmed as it is, or maybe im too lazy...
Eitherway it wont be long now stay tuned.

PS- Sorry bout not getting the interview tooken care of. Im looking for RVD every chance i get.
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10-22-2002, 05:46 PM #34
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hoda: Is this going to be a browser-based game?
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Hoda, ICQ/AIM/MSN me
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Hoda,
with my new system coming in i could do wonderous work-- but that doesnt matter. i found out what i could do.

concept art.

this is a 'mech' type game right? i could figure up some ideas pretty easily.

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10-23-2002, 06:22 AM #37
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Like gundams?
Its sort of like the gundam universe and the mechwarrior universe in game play dynamics. In looks it would be most like mad max, everything should be dirty and rundown, like its been in a war zone for 5 years.

The story i have so far, Is that a chunk of an alien world crashes into mars with peices of advanced technology allowing warp travel, and fusion power, matter synthesis etc. And humans cant understand it they can just fabricate and repair it. Like hyper drives in star wars. There will be a finite number of universal mercs. Very similar to gundams except more alien. They have strange capabilities and can travel between planets. There will be like 6 of those in all. Concept art would be great and we would love to have an official conceptual artist on the team. Im skinning my models and maybe you can use them as props in your work. Im not a real good 2d artist.
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hoda: Is this going to be a browser-based game?
-NO i never liked the web. I used BBS's forever i loved those.
Im trying to get our website produced now. Itd help if i knew php.

- :cry: Still waiting to get into the bf1942 matches. Web dev is underway.
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ill see what i can do hoda, ill have to look into those shows, pick up some drawings and morph them into ideas. seing as i dont have a computer, i cannot do much right now.

i have worked on 1 project so far, called the knight mech. it doesnt 'exactly' fit what you specified but ive named it:

Knight Mech F-Ham
Front Heavy Assault Mech
as it stands its got a heavy shielded body, with low projectile weapons, including a melee weapon. nothing plazmatic as in gundam.
so far i only have a frontal drawing, ill do the back, and and sides.

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sound cool and i like how you are keeping open minded. one thing im wondering is it sounds like your wanting to make a MMOG am i right? and the things i can help with is consept ideas such as names of iteams what they should look like, and how things would look and sound in the game. another thing i can help with is the story line. im a very creative person i always have ideas. and i have been thinking of lots of game ideas it just i dont know how to do any of the things to make the games. oh and i almost forgot i would love to test the game to.


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devross, can you draw? either using pencil and paper, or a computer?

conceptual drawing is alot of work. i have 2 ideas down so far. i have to remake them tho.

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hoda in another day or two I'll want to send you some stuff on the hover craft, mostly just sketches for your approval but it would be alot easier to send if you had icq...or MSN, I have both, but I preffer icq...umm ya so if you could get one of those that would be great...
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i can draw ok to get my point across but that is about it.


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Dev. you can get your point across, thats all i'll need. we will think up ideas and put them on paper. i have a scanner, so any drawings i make can be distributed.

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What we need
What we need in concepts and ideas is:
GUI theme
Intro Art (logo's etc)
Device and equipment names
Panets and Places names
This is just a basic list, Well be making a movie too. With a meteorite crashing into mars with alien technology inside it.
Web development is occuring, just slowly. Keep your eyes on this thread.
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would it be possible to have sort of themes and many hidden puzzles... for ex: there will be 'mechs' buried in ice in the middle of no where, and only those mechs can open a passage on some other planet to uncover more of the alien storyline of how the alien tech came to be, afterwards becoming more of an expedition. if there are such storylihnes will there also be intertwinning storylines, such as: soldier1 killed a scientist to aquire new technology, the scientist worked for soldier2. now soldier2's mission to destroy soldier1.
of course much much story building around it.

and how does the game work. are you a person inside a mech, or are you always a mech, would it be possble to be the person and walk around in the market buying technologies to add to your mech and also go on hunts and earn cash killing bandits or doing labour. fighting in giant wars. being hired as mercenaries. would it be possible to build your own home and 'mechbays' use technologies such as 'invisible shields' and 'force fields' to protect your base from being pillaged.

what happens when factions grow too large, will the developpers get a key hand in this, with immensely strong fighter mechs to stop the inevitable invasions. a sort of police? to keep balance in the game, or if we see fit, let the ever growing faction continue its reigh. would it be possible to steal mechs from other players,

is there skill levels involved. will it be a sort of rpg styled. where you gain experience. or more of a quake style, shoot and ask later. will there be many attributes if there are skill levels involved.

Will certain ppl have key roles within the factions, such as: a faction with many scientists will have a higher tech level than a faction that is of pure brute force. Will the many factions have concepts and ideas to be bent around: faction1 is of averaged to about everything, while faction2 is a war faction, faction3 is a theif faction, faction4 is technology. ect.

how will politics involve everyday life in the game. will there be a sort of tax to run the government, elections to votein the high officials. ect.

when handling a 'mech' will it be complicated where as you can do more stuff, or more user friendly where the possibilities are more restricted.
ex: a mech with a shield on one arm, will it be possible to drop the shield so use the weapon of that arm, or will the shield be a peice of the mech and is none removable.

how much more could i ask? lots n lots. i could go on. i have a vivid imagination and nobody listens...
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We implemented most of those ideas in one way or another already.
Universal mercs cannot be purchased, Well be tucking them away in certain remote planets and locations. The idea is that it takes money and time to find one. And then they must be fought over once they have actually been found. All universal mercs regenerate and are practicly industructable. So after a battle the occupieing forces will usually gain ownership of the u-mercs used in the battle. Id love to put an upgrade and modular vehicle upgrade system. That all breaks down into manhours. Im not being payed by someone and neither are you, If i live for 5 more years then theres an excellent chance i will implement a system. If we get a demo made and get 15,000$ we can do that for sure. We cant have our source code flying across the net etc, so were gonna have to take it one step at a time with coding the games dynamic capabilities. I havnt even coded the character persistence yet. I was going to implement non-combat character classes like technitians and pilots. But we can do anything, so it dosnt matter now. I havnt even purchased the engine license yet. The point here is to make quality and quantity in equal portions. We cant afford to take the time coding and making the entire game, being this small of a group. And well never do as high quality work as a studio. So we have to comprimise some of our plans to do this in a timely manner. If i learn too code, ill be able to finish the demo in 2 years. But thats assuming i eventually fully adapt to c++ syntax. All-inAll we have to take it step by step so we wont fall on our faces. The game will be in first person, and the vehicle gameplay will be like vehicles in bf1942. everything but alien tech will be purchased.
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Hoda, ive started a conceptual idea of the first 'solar system' no names, just a pictoral view of what it could look like. yes very sketchy.

i have a sun with a moon in its orbit, a molten planet with a few moons, a meteor ring after that planet, then the 'city planet' with a desert moon and a 2 colonies, afterwards a mining planet along with a mining moon on the same orbit there is another planet which is a storm planet with a dying moon, and last the ice planet.

along with that there is an idea for a 'hidden planet' which doesnt follow any sort of gravitational pull-- it was thrown out of its original orbit back when.

okay you have a layout of the game already thought up.
do we have any character models, any ideas for citys, storylines and names for things and places. (any already thought up, them being sketchy or finalized).

devross i will soon have my computer, we are going to have a chat about concept stuff. so get ready.

anyway give me feedback.
Sorry if this is the only way of contact. but its all i can do, for now.

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Ok ive begun mapping and modelling for our first planet. Im going for a unfinshed rock look. so it loongs kinda like tatooine in star wars except less brown. We will need foliage and landscape created for the game. as far as game plans, im keeping them somewhat generic until we settle on a look/plot/feel/enviroments. we could still make some BIG changes, so i keep it liquid. if you want to integrate solid plans that we'll be able to handle, just write them in a formal manner, and let the rest of the team see your idea.
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HERES A PREVIEW OF THE NEW WEB PAGE (STILL NO FORUM)
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uhh I never really thought to check this cause I thought it was just like some joke thing or someone that really isn't serious about it. Well, I can't offer much I can do images in photoshop, I've done work in 3dstudio max, I can code in C++ and VB, I know html and flash, messed around and done some work in adobe premier and not really good but I know how to work most commands in autoCAD... most of this I know but have most likely forgotten lol. So if you need a little help with something I can try my best.
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dosnt sound good
Im sorry, if your not looking to contribute much we cant let you on the team. It sounds like you could help. I mean think if we all had the attitude that we werent going to do much. Nothing would get done. So if your dedicated and motivated, and want to contribute a fair share of work wed love to have you help.

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just saying I'm probably not good enough to do anything substantial enough for gaming code.... I've seen it and it's pretty much giberish in parts to me. :P
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Raj, dont put yourself down, hoda hasnt even seen my pictures and hes decided to put me into conceptual development.

tell yourself you can, and work on it. you could use this oppertunity to increase your skills.

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if your just unsure
 If your capable but just not confident, i dont see whats preventing you from turning this into an oppurtunity to prove to yourself that you can seriously help. I appreciatte any help anyone offers, but we cant have our project data flying all over kingdom come and back. If someone joins they should atleast have a clear picture of what and how much they plan to contribute. And about not seeing your work first, the team will see your work soon enough, and we can share opinions in a constructive manner. If you like, i could give you a generic version of our game with some open source scripts. scripts are so easy its ridiculous. I dunno you have to be dedicated, if you cant do something.... guess what your gonna have to learn it, to do your job. Its not always a picnic. Sometimes i feel like spock being reborn in star trek. Some things i hate doing like making 5000 textures, and modeling and maping everything. But thats why we work together, the more each of us do indivdualy the more greater our accomplishments are as a team. But lazy, or unmotivated teammates do the exact opposite they hurt the overall efficiency and work output average of the group. I hate looking at human situations through an anyltical lense. I dont mean to be rude either, but honestly i really am seriously commited to producing an awesome team based rpg fps, And i think the enviroment is right for that. I have a spoken with a publisher who has assured me any product thats of sufficient quality we produce will be published/distributed/served. And its not like we couldnt do EVERYTHING OURSELVES, theres no secret about the future of the internet and games. were just betting on the fact that weve got the edge due to our awareness of the grass roots pc game enviroment. That and i think at grew up and realised that someone makes the video games EVERYBODY plays for 6 hours a day. There colleges for this game stuff now (I think i could be a proffesor). so people are paying 40k just to learn how to make games. I get alot of threatened psycology from many people who know nothing of software or games and graphics. I think people get angry when they become confused. Im not worried its like making a movie or a book, it takes a long time to re-create that reality for people so theyre comfortable in the games enviroment and dont feel trapped or confined.
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How are we supposed to contact eachother and pass info? using irc?

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were getting a forum put up right now, similar to this one. Im sorry about the long wait but we had technical probs with server and im not very enthusiastic about the web in general. Im not going to forget anyone, E-mail would work for me even. I have icq and ill mesage you fate with my ICQ number. I do maintain a Irc channel on gamesnet- #mercs
Ive made some pretty cool maps in the past few weeks.
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alright time to redownload icq then.

ill check things out on irc as well.

woohooo

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asset list
Ok heres what i myself has done for game media:
MESHES:
Biped actor
Speeder bike and sidecar
Medium hover tank
Heavy hover tank
Light Merc
Heavey Merc
Space Fighter
Truck
Light machine gun
9mm Handgun
Blast pistol
Blast gun
3 grenade types
Chainsaw
10 melee weapons
various item models
Textures and Maps:
72 stone,wood,metal textures
3 house maps
1 base map
5 turret maps
Rocks mapped
These are just what im developing for our demo. When we get to work on the in-game material some of these will be re-done or scrapped.
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how many hours did that take?
thats a chunk.

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hundreds of man-hours of labour... whats funny is im getting alot faster/better at making models and textures. But im also experiencing burnout of sorts...
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hum... sex usually helps, and long hot showers...

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02-17-2003, 10:45 AM #1
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TDZK
TDZK at http://www.tdzk.net is currently in pre-registration which will end sometime later today when the Main Zone opens up for action. HF will have an alliance there, with myself as the leader unless StormFire wants to resume the role he exercised way back in the Fall of 2001 when he was the HF leader in TDZK. TDZK was created (and still admined by) 2 of our HF brothers, Jerle & Hotaru. This is an opportunity for this clan to show to the larger gaming community that HF is still around and is not to be taken lightly.
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/me bumps.

This thread DESERVES to be at the top. Lets support the quiet BBG realm that erm... is our collective pride and joy. *nodding*

How many clans get to say that our members have created games?
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care to give us a brief summary?
this is a bbg i think right?

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how come i cant log in?

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who from hf is playing? i want to play for the clan aspect... im already joined up, you guys gonna join and help me out? :X

/me is a complete newb

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TDZK is in preregistration. The Main Zone opens up in about 5 hours from now. That way those who can register first, won't have a big head start on everyone else.
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Well, there are some BBG'ers such as myself, Pagan & Omega Rennegade who will be in TDZK. There should be a few others, but I don't know for sure yet.
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and yes, TDZK is a bbg.
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3 things:


You can't get into TDZK for another 5 hours until the Main Zone opens up.

If you go to: http://test.tdzk.net/ and register there, you'll be able to play in the Test Zone.

The TDZK Help Files are at: http://www.tdzk.net/help/
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Congrats and good luck.

I'm not rude, you're just insignificant.
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is anyone i know gonna play?
cmon hyp :D
zolt :D
fred :D

lets have a go?
let hf represent

cant have them beat us at our own game can we??

gonna have my bro play too :D

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What kind of a game is it? I want to play be do u have to come back ever night and do stuff. Some 1 explan it to me!!

Yes i want to play
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you come back every night.

it helps if you also come back every monring, lunch, afternoon, and every moment in between. In otherwords, say good bye to your friends, order ALOT of food, get a fridge installed in your bathroom, and drag your computer in there. Then lock the door.
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Alliance formed. Initial password: usurper In order to find HF on the Alliance List, you'll have to turn off the 3-member filter.


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gogogoogogog
im playing
i suck
trade or gather?!?!?!?

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I'm trading. That's what worked out for me at least.
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Well, we've made a decent start in TDZK. 4 member alliance thus far with another player having the password, but not yet in the alliance. We have a Full Alliance with another alliance in the game that already has a planet that we can use. So, basically. we're going to be contrating in the system that our allies are focusing in and hopefully, it'll all work out for Victory in the end.
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wheres the planet
and how do we get there?

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The planet is at Sector #20222 in the Taenadar System. You get there by looking at the Galaxy map and then looking at the maps of the systems that you go through to get there.
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Here's how we currently stand:

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http://www.clan-forsaken.com



Message from the Leader:
Onwards for Victory!







Alliance Roster:
Pilot Name/Ship Name Race/Class Level EXP

Bakito (1905) [Online] Tamaran 6 2036010
[Message] [Kick] Baby Bakitus Freighter 75

Hexx (715) [Online] Wraith 6 1906479
[Message] [Kick] BrynMawr Freighter 100

The Bombers (301) Tamaran 5 1507844
[Message] [Kick] USS Bomber Frigate 70

DarkFlare (1569) Wraith 3 634403
[Message] [Kick] Black Flame Freighter 50

Sturm Kintaro (2174) Tamaran 3 621270
[Message] [Kick] Kintares 4 Frigate 80

Big Daddy (1681) Derivian 3 557483
[Message] [Kick] Big Daddy\'s Crib Freighter 60

DracoLichB (2280) Wraith 3 554285
[Message] [Kick] The Shadow Dracolich Freighter 0

Jewel (1657) Kitaran 3 507508
[Message] [Kick] Jeweladdicts Anonymous Escape Pod 0

crector (614)[LEADER] Derivian 3 379815
[Message] Fornax Frigate 0

Magistrate (1375) Tamaran 3 304245
[Message] [Kick] Provus Escape Pod 0

Llian (520) Sniv 2 187746
[Message] [Kick] The Thurkad Frigate 0

Zolt (1688) Tamaran 1 71410
[Message] [Kick] Courtier Frigate 0

Page (1639) Derivian 1 10801
[Message] [Kick] Conquerors Frigate 0
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MY ESCAPE POD!!!!

everyone join now
its still early, youre not far behind at all

its really fun
and it doesnt take that much out of your day
just do it when youre bored ya know?

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hmmm
Ok ok ok... I'm convinced!

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I'm only scared of myself,
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What does experience do? Besides rank you of course.
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What does experience do? Besides rank you of course.
Good question, I posed it to TDZK Admin. (and HF brother) Jerle on ICQ just now and here's his response:

Jerle: (7:10 PM) Experience translates into levels.

Levels make you better at combat, at detecting cloaked ships, and a few other miscellaneous tasks.
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02-20-2003, 08:18 AM #25
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As of now, the HF alliance has cracked the Top 40 Alliances in TDZK. We are currently ranked #39, up from #49 about 24 hours ago. Our allies, the Shadow Knights are now ranked #42, up from #65 24 hours ago. We also have our own IRC channel set up, courtesy of a new recruit named Toxico, separate from the HF IRC setup. Finally, an in-game member, Bakito, has applied to go through the HF recruitment process in the BBG Realm. In other words, we are an upswing in TDZK.

Here's the Official Roster:

House Forsaken

Strike First*Strike Hard*No Mercy
http://www.clan-forsaken.com



Message from the Leader:
Onwards for Victory!







Alliance Roster:
Pilot Name/Ship Name Race/Class Level EXP

Toxico (149) Derivian 7 3517518
[Message] [Kick] Halcyon Sun Freighter 70

Hexx (715) Wraith 7 3432901
[Message] [Kick] BrynMawr Freighter 135

Bakito (1905) Tamaran 6 2518036
[Message] [Kick] Baby Bakitus Freighter 100

DarkFlare (1569) Wraith 6 2233474
[Message] [Kick] Black Flame Cruiser 60

The Bombers (301) Tamaran 5 1507844
[Message] [Kick] USS Bomber Frigate 70

Big Daddy (1681) Derivian 4 1082717
[Message] [Kick] Big Daddy\'s Crib Freighter 60

Cyyst (2161) Zallun 4 897641
[Message] [Kick] Enzumia Frigate 0

Sturm Kintaro (2174) Tamaran 4 762466
[Message] [Kick] Kintares 4 Frigate 80

crector (614)[LEADER] Derivian 4 676105
[Message] Fornax Frigate 45

DracoLichB (2280) Wraith 3 583459
[Message] [Kick] The Shadow Dracolich Freighter 0

mr_mysterio7 (2523) Zallun 3 580497
[Message] [Kick] Missouri Frigate 55

Jewel (1657) Kitaran 3 508169
[Message] [Kick] Jeweladdicts Anonymous Escape Pod 0

Zolt (1688) Sniv 3 505236
[Message] [Kick] Courtier Resourcer 0

Pirate Pete (762) [Online] Zallun 3 493979
[Message] [Kick] Jolly Roger Frigate 20

Llian (520) Sniv 3 461231
[Message] [Kick] The Thurkad Frigate 0

Magistrate (1375) Tamaran 3 459597
[Message] [Kick] Provus Frigate 0

Zag Crel (2220) Zallun 3 394931
[Message] [Kick] Stone Angel Frigate 55

Page (1639) Derivian 3 359492
[Message] [Kick] Conquerors Frigate 0

Coolbeans (2331) Wraith 2 234829
[Message] [Kick] Magic man Frigate 0
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02-20-2003, 10:07 AM #26
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who are half of those people?

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02-20-2003, 02:13 PM #27
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non-HF.

quasi-HF.

People who play with us but don't want to join HF at large. Its kinda complex, and I think the system should be changed but its a holdover from when we didn't play as HF in SM I guess.
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hmmm
I'm there... Me=mr_mysterio7

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Well, we recruited some more and reached the 26 member mark while still remaining #39 in the Alliance Rankings. From this point on, the main HF alliance will only take in recruits from HF & the HF/CF alliances in SMR. Hopefully, in a week or so, we'll start up a Forsaken Recruits alliance to take in more recruits who could eventually be recruited in the main HF allaince as replacements and/or recruited into the HF clan itself. Anyways, now for the cut and pasted HF Alliance Roster:


House Forsaken

Strike First*Strike Hard*No Mercy
http://www.clan-forsaken.com

House Forsaken has been a major force in online gaming since its inception in 1996 in battle.net



Message from the Leader:
Onwards for Victory!







Alliance Roster:
Pilot Name/Ship Name Race/Class Level EXP

Aote (737) Wraith 11 7588643
[Message] [Kick] Apathy Resourcer 120

Hexx (715) Wraith 8 4096170
[Message] [Kick] BrynMawr Freighter 140

Toxico (149) Derivian 7 3517518
[Message] [Kick] Halcyon Sun Freighter 70

Bakito (1905) Tamaran 7 3300902
[Message] [Kick] Pilvi Aurora Freighter 100

DarkFlare (1569) Wraith 6 2312137
[Message] [Kick] Black Flame Cruiser 60

mr_mysterio7 (2523) Zallun 5 1570213
[Message] [Kick] Missouri Frigate 65

The Bombers (301) Tamaran 5 1507844
[Message] [Kick] USS Bomber Frigate 70

Big Daddy (1681) Derivian 5 1504795
[Message] [Kick] Big Daddy\'s Crib Freighter 100

Cyyst (2161) Zallun 4 897641
[Message] [Kick] Enzumia Frigate 0

Pirate Pete (762) Zallun 4 817930
[Message] [Kick] Jolly Roger Frigate 90

Llian (520) Sniv 4 723582
[Message] [Kick] The Thurkad Resourcer 50

Sturm Kintaro (2174) Tamaran 4 711443
[Message] [Kick] Kintares 4 Escape Pod 0

Magistrate (1375) Tamaran 4 695249
[Message] [Kick] Provus Resourcer 30

crector (614)[LEADER] Derivian 4 689742
[Message] Fornax Frigate 45

Dark Arch (2235) Kitaran 3 632308
[Message] [Kick] Epoach Freighter 40

Jewel (1657) Kitaran 3 591822
[Message] [Kick] Jeweladdicts Anonymous Resourcer 50

DracoLichB (2280) Wraith 3 583459
[Message] [Kick] The Shadow Dracolich Freighter 0

Zolt (1688) Sniv 3 525222
[Message] [Kick] Courtier Resourcer 40

Zag Crel (2220) Zallun 3 469406
[Message] [Kick] Stone Angel Frigate 55

Page (1639) Derivian 3 373702
[Message] [Kick] Conquerors Frigate 0

Karon Bladerunner (2765) Derivian 2 278412
[Message] [Kick] Wolf\'s Bane Frigate 0

Coolbeans (2331) Wraith 2 239039
[Message] [Kick] Magic man Frigate 0

Wamphyri (246) Wraith 2 100139
[Message] [Kick] Wampbeast Frigate 0

Bink (1027) Derivian 2 80097
[Message] [Kick] USSCrom Frigate 0

Zell Dincht (2774) Derivian 1 6985
[Message] [Kick] Duel Frigate 0

Hanz Moleman (2771) Derivian 1 0
[Message] [Kick] Squidy Frigate 0
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02-24-2003, 07:25 PM #31
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House Forsaken 2 formed.

password: stormfire
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man...
These last few days have been harsh for TDZK... First the servers went down, now they're slow...

I have over 1000 turns and can't spend them because I'm not patient enough to wait for the lag...

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House Forsaken Forum Thread: This is the GAME that will unite HF

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02-23-2003, 10:42 PM #1
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This is the GAME that will unite HF
This game is one that anyone in HF can play. This is what we've all been waiting for! remember all that hype about shadowbane, and how everyoen was going to play, and it would make us better because of the unity? well all of that can be come to life with this game:TDZK.
It takes very little time, you can go out there and try to make as much money as you can with your alotted turns and spend 5 minutes, or plan out each move strategically so that youll build the ultimate ship.
This game is free, was made by a couple HF members (Jerle and Hotaru) and has over 2000 players playing. It just resetted last week, so everyone is pretty much on a level basis. The learning curve is really really simple, this is one of those games that takes 5 minutes to learn, but forever to master. I've been playing for a couple days and i just cant seem to get enough! heh, i find myself at my computer waiting for the new hour to come so i get my new 25 turns  This is our chance to show our dominance in the world of gaming... to own at a game that HF made...

so how about it
would you like to be part of the revolution?
its really quite simple
we've already got over 30 members in our alliance, but we could always use more... even if youre not an addict like me... your playing will help you become closer to EVERYONE in hf...
all of you bnet people could play with the cs'ers and mmorpg people... it'd be soooo nice

but the best part.... ITS FREE AND FUN!!
so come join 30 of your fellow HF members as we prepare to pwn all these wannabe startup clans out there...
but not to sound cocky or anything,... cause theres a couple of really good alliances out there who could probly kick our asses... but give us a couple of weeks

www.tdzk.net

any questions? post em here

among the members playing: me, crector, mysty, zolt, smith, darkwulf, darkflare, and others

you know you wanna play

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02-23-2003, 10:47 PM #2
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Server is down or something.

Whats it about? You said ship building, is that like old Pirate and cannons thing, or like space and lasers?

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ok...
Ok, Jewel's right. I love this game. I have all these plans for universal domination :D

Anyhow, this isn't time consuming and is tons fun! What else could you ask for?

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Space and lasers, you can be a trader, a scavenger, a pirate, all that good stuff

its basically darwinism
survival of the fittest, what im trying to do is make HF a powerhouse in the game... right now theres 2-3 other alliances that everyone cringes in fear when their names are mentioned... i want that to be HF

the server should be up again soon... theyre have some problems :X

"TDZK will most likely be down for several hours. The system hung after an attempted Kernel switch. We Are Not Rolling Back."

check out omgn.com, another HF affiliated site for bbg's, they have some info on it



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Haha I remember my first BBG which update every hour, I was just the same =)
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Utopia was my first.

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i registered and all, but i cant find where to spend my turns or anything like that =/.


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you start off with a frigate, you can use the arrows in the upper left corner to move aroudn on the grid or sector. you can either gather minerals to sell to ports/planets, or you can go from planet to planet buying stuff and resellign it at other planets

you can see what people buy and sell on the galaxy map on your mid left panel

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ah it wont load ill tryy again later
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it don't work
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I'll check it out.
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giving it a try.. i seem to remeber trying this a while ago but quitting because it was too hard to learn, or i was too lazy..

anyway i'd be happy to join this alliance, if you'll have me.. =)
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Its very easy and fun. I just need to start playing again.

Those bastard hotaru and jerle said they'd never post less on our forums while making the game, but you just had to know, once it became popular that it would draw all their attention.

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swg > all well im gonna give this a try from what u said it sounds fun
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please dont post stuff like that jp... its pointless..
sure swg is better than tdzk... they spent millions or whatever to make it
but i know that TDZK has a lot more potential for all of hf

btw guys, the servers up again
since we have reached our 30 player max on our alliance, crector is making a 2nd division of HF
so just start playing, and as soon as we get it up we'll have you guys join the alliance

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j00l this is quite confusing man all i know is how to move left and right heh :P
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TDZK was temporarily offline last night due to server problems which have been fixed. The game itself is back up at http://www.tdzk.net

House Forsaken 2 has just been formed.

Password: stormfire

To find the new HF alliance on the Alliance List, you may have to refresh with the 3-member filter off.


Hope to see you there!
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It has been really laggy lately, I haven't been able to do anything for a few days =/
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I just joined... name is Trai.

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Is this something I have to check everyday or can you let a few days go by between logins? I'd hate to sign up only to realize I don't have the time. I know it only takes a few minutes each time, but there are going to be some days coming up that I won't have access.
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MC: you need to put in about 10 mins a day... But, if you miss some days, you just make up for it  I'm sure I'll put in something like an hour as soon as the servers are back up to speed...

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your turns dont go anywhere if you dotn log in for a couple days
they jsut gather up

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everyone go check it out now :D
we even got stormy playing :D

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bah, of course im playing...when TDZK first came out last year i pwned everyone for like a month straight 8)
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I am in, but have no clue....
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join hf alliance 2 cj... and we'll get you started

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Done!
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How do u join......
*Some people say war doesn't solve anything.
*Prehaps they're usin the wrong strategy.
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www.tdzk.net

join from there

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nvm..... i got it now to learn now to play : P
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Quote Originally Posted by Zolt
It has been really laggy lately, I haven't been able to do anything for a few days =/

If you think that this is bad lag, then you should have seen what it was like in a typical day in the original Space Mechant.........
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hmmmm
I'd rather not Crector!

lol...

Anyhow, there's a war! Don't make us have a HF-wide draft!

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I think Jewel holds the record for number of smiley faces used per post.

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whats wrong with smileys?

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funny says ERROR: You must provide a unique login name, pilot name, and email address. so i make a new e-mail adress then join or sumthing?
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wait nvm i got it how do i join the forsaken alliance
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on the left side theres a link called alliances
click on it
and search for hf1 or hf2
and click join alliance

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From the TDZK Help Files:

Joining an Alliance

In order to join an existing alliance you need to know the alliance password. This can usually be obtained from the Alliance Leader if the alliance is actively recruiting. Once you have the password click the Alliance List link from the left panel. The resulting list can be sorted by experience, member count, and alphabetically for you convenience. Click the on the Alliance Name you wish to join to bring up their alliance page. To join them simply type the password into the password field at the bottom of their Alliance page and click the [Join] button.

Note: You cannot join an alliance if you are already a member of another alliance. You must leave your existing alliance and wait for a 12-hour transition period before you will be permitted to join another (See: Leaving an Alliance below).

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maybe we shouldnt be posting that here....

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i just registered didnt get my password yet stupid slow internet....o well...i was thinking that we should make a irc channel for TDZK to talk about strategic stuff or about an attack or watever.
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we have one on the main tdzk server... but i think we need one on hf irc, easier for us all
it will be in #tdzk
ill tlak to aeon about it later

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how do u buy stuff i cant find the button!! help!!
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When you're at a port, you press on the box labelled Buy
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If/when you're stumped by something in TDZK, check out the Help Files: http://www.tdzk.net/help/

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03-15-2003, 12:57 AM #1
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Pwned
We made some critical mistakes.
We didnt have things planned as well as we thought.
We didnt have everyone show who was suppose to.

We just sucked
and it showed

Lost a lot of ships...
We got pwned... =/

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what are u talking about?

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You must learn Henry's style... look for the last topic made by him and see if the content matches, he dosn't like saying everything in one line or topic.


FYI: Check "Wish us Luck" Thread, it's about TDZK.
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Yea.. realized that a couple minutes after i posted

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Yep. Next time we need to plan things more carefully and we definately need everyone to show up... 8)
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It wasn't that bad. Yes, we ultimately failed to capture even the 1st planet that we tried to take. However, we podded a fair number of the Dark Realms lamers and also forced them to use up huge quantities of turns & funds in the defense of their planet. We also learned some valuable lessons on how to conduct such operations in the future.

As such, it may have turned out to be our version of the Battle of Little Bighorn. The bad guys won that engagement, but at a heavy loss and they ultimately lost the war in just a few months time. Learning lessons combined with superior numbers ultimately carries the day.

Let's go for it!
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In this case I would have thought we were the bad guys =)
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Ok I might want to ask if next time we preform an operation like the *cough* failed *cough cough* one yesterday... Could someone .. well not to make myself try to sound important, but be involved in the war council? Like I said on mIRC I 'm a good tactician when the mood strikes.. *looks at jewel and crector*
No offense meant to your planning lady and sir
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repercutions
W@ell not only did we fail to capture the planet, but now we also have to deal with the hunters from DR. Dwelgar and I have both had encounters with a coupl of them. We got messages while docked at ports from one of them, telling us not to undock or we would be podded.
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the hunters have become the hunted :D

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gee you think jewel.. and sorry bout the lady thing.. *mumbles* i found out you were a dude...
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lol again?
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--- The following material was provided to us as evidence ---


[Part 0:0 (plain text)]

MOTION PICTURE ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA, INC.
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Via Fax/Email


RE: Unauthorized Distribution of Copyrighted Motion Pictures
Site/URL: dcc://TMD-Jewel(saltek)X/ [with IP address(es): 68.6.253.179]
Reference#: 1004151

Date of Infringement: 3/11/2003 6:34:56 PM GMT


Dear abuse@cox.net:

The Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) represents the following motion picture production and distribution companies:

Columbia Pictures Industries, Inc.
Disney Enterprises, Inc.
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Paramount Pictures Corporation
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We have received information that you are providing Internet access to and possibly hosting the above referenced internet site, which is offering downloads of copyrighted motion picture(s) including such title(s) as:


Catch Me If You Can
Chicago
Guy Thing, A
Life of David Gale, The
Ring, The
Spider
Truth About Charlie, The


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URL: dcc://TMD-Jewel(saltek)X/
Date: 2003-03-11 18:34:56 GMT
Host: 68.6.253.179
User: TMD-Jewel
Channel: #tmd-moviez
Network: saltek

Size Name
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DIR /EVANESCENCE-FALLEN-_RETAIL_-2003-RNS
DIR /ORIGIN
0 /downloads
66 MB /origin.rar
67 MB /the_cardigans-long_gone_before_daylight-advance-2003-wcr.rar
127 MB /[tmd]a.guy.thing.(eso).subbed.ts.(1of2).avi
117 MB /[tmd]a.guy.thing.(eso).subbed.ts.(2of2).avi
173 MB /[tmd]catch.me.if.you.can.(teg).subbed.ts.(1of2).avi
172 MB /[tmd]catch.me.if.you.can.(teg).subbed.ts.(2of2).avi
143 MB /[tmd]chicago.(v4f).dvd.scr.(1of2).avi
148 MB /[tmd]chicago.(v4f).dvd.scr.(2of2).avi
113 MB /[tmd]spider.(tcs).limited.dvdscr.(1of2).avi
107 MB /[tmd]the.life.of.david.gale.(centropy).ts.(1of3).avi
104 MB /[tmd]the.life.of.david.gale.(centropy).ts.(2of3).avi
104 MB /[tmd]the.life.of.david.gale.(centropy).ts.(3of3).avi
152 MB /[tmd]the.recruit.(vcdcentral).scr.(1of2).avi
147 MB /[tmd]the.recruit.(vcdcentral).scr.(2of2).avi
143 MB /[tmd]the.ring.(flix).dvdrip.(1of2).avi
134 MB /[tmd]the.ring.(flix).dvdrip.(2of2).avi
598 KB /[tmd]the.truth.about.charlie.(tcf).dvd.scr.(1of2).avi
41 MB /[tmd]white.oleander.(twciso).limited.fs.dvdrip.(1of2).a vi




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ROFL

Meaning you were caught distributing movies.

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ignore? reply?

doesnt say what to do :D

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We request that you immediately do the following:

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On behalf of the respective owners of the exclusive rights to the copyrighted material at issue in this notice, we hereby state, pursuant to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, Title 17 United States Code Section 512, that the information in this notification is accurate and that we have a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by the copyright owners, their respective agents, or the law.

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Are you TRYING to be a moron, or are you just naturally acting that way?
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Uhm ah ok, how do you get caught, hmmm musta been careless,
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JEWEL YOU'RE REATRDED HOLY SHIT...I TOLD YOU ONCE..I TOLD YOU TWICE..DROP THAT IRC CRAP.

as the email put it:

cease and desist
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you CAN read right jewel?

We have received information that you are providing Internet access to and possibly hosting the above referenced internet site, which is offering downloads of copyrighted motion picture(s) including such title(s) as:


Catch Me If You Can
Chicago
Guy Thing, A
Life of David Gale, The
Ring, The
Spider
Truth About Charlie, The

We request that you immediately do the following:

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pwned
tmd sux anyway

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tell them it wasn't you, it was your little sister.

and that you beat her and locked her in the bathroom and it wont happen again.

then all you need to do is stop getting caught. :wink:
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hahaha
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LOL. this is hilarious.

It's only if you host/dl this stuff over IRC that they can catch you right?


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Actually, irc is one of the more secure ways of transmitting data. kazaa/morpheus/etc. are FAR easier to track than irc.
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but do they track kazaa, etc?


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Yes snootch, i've been after you since years, and now i finally catch you.

Your ass is grass.

You are under arrest. You have the obligation to remain silent, anything you say can and will be translated into asskicking.

kthx.

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Quote Originally Posted by Snootch
but do they track kazaa, etc?
kazaa = a LOT more people "serving" and downloading and a LOT lower chance of getting caught.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Hypz-1720/
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Jewel.....use a freaking proxy or just stop. Now that they catch you "TWICE" then will be watching again....use the same freaking name too. C'mon...
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sukka, stop doing it *poof bye bye gtroubles
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Jebus Christ..... for gods sake just be greedy!! download it for yourself and stop hosting it for other ppl!! or just use fricken Kazaa man... its that simple.

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kazaa blows

using a proxy doesnt help
i got caught the first time even with a proxy
i just switched over to cable
so it was another ip/isp

heh
ill just stop serving i guess :X
i really want distro tho!

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Quote Originally Posted by Uskilla
Yes snootch, i've been after you since years, and now i finally catch you.

Your ass is grass.

You are under arrest. You have the obligation to remain silent, anything you say can and will be translated into asskicking.

kthx.
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On re-reading this, it really isn't all that surprising that Jewel was just banned from TDZK for cheating including running no fewer than THREE multi accounts.
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i don't care what u accuse jewel for, jewel's cool  he has helped many people throughout the years to goods unacquireable to them due to suppressive olgarchian government they live under. thank you henry....thank you

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im sorry for not being perfect like you crector

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NO FIGHTS! MAKE LOVE PEOPLE!
Where's the HUG? i want to see the hug NOW.

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MAKE BABIES NOT WAR!
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i'll leave HF before i hug him
he made this personal, not me

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Oh christ jewel wouldn't fucking hurt a fly.

Get your facts straight.

I don't know you crector, but I know jewel and your words are just out of place.

Read what jewel said and correct your post by replying with an appology of some sort.

Peace amongst the members.

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lol?

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That's just funny

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they got me for 1/2 baked. i use kazaa. i just deleted it and next yeare i will have my own cable service anyways on usc ethernet now.

PS: crector/jewel take it off the forums. im on crectors side atm.
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03-18-2003, 03:37 PM #31
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Hmm, sounds like you were not caught with your hand in the cookie jar but giving out free cookies instead. Hide the cookie jar so there is no proof it was you and then sneak them to people. Let others take the blame. Its all good as long as your hands are clean of it. LOL

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Did you sign a privicy contract?

Some companys make you sign a contract saying that they will not watch what your doing, Hell most company does it because people like to look at porn hehehe and dont want ISP to see what they are doing.. Anyways if you did make a copy of that contract and send it back to them. Ask them why they voided there own contract.

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nope, never signed that MD, should i request one?

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i think its too late to help you the way md was suggesting :X.


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From the looks and sounds of it, i think you should henry..

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03-19-2003, 12:42 AM #36
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I support Jewel. Just because he was cheating does not mean he deserves the level of harrassment that crector has been giving him. The man is an unleashed pitbull with bloodlust.

On a side note, Jewel, you are a moron.
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Here's a link to a news story that ought to interest Jewel & others who think like him: http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,58081,00.html
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i have another idea to stop piracy: music companies start publishing decent albums instead of charging 15 bucks for 1 song and a bunch of shit. ive got no problem paying $15 for a CD, but i do have a problem with paying $15 for a SONG.

movies are a different story. if its a movie worth getting, just pay the $20 =/.


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Ditto what Snootch said.

I admit, I do download songs off the internet.

Why? Because as Snootch said, most albums out today are one or two songs and the rest are filler crap.

Bands and record companies are so into making as much money as is possible, that they're forgetting to make decent music.

I have no problem spending $15.00 for a cd with a bunch of good songs on it. I'm more than willing to in fact. But when there's only one or two songs I like, it's just not worth it.
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Oh my goodness, it all makes sense, i realize my wrongdoing brought forward to me by that article and will stop sharing immediatly, how could i have been doing something so wrong for so long.... i disgrace myself and my honor by dling mp3s and i shall do so no more....

....For anyone who believed that... shame on you.

I also agree with snootch. I actually prefer having the actual cd rather than a burned one if i really like the album, but now adays, i dont have the money to pay $15-20 dollars for a crappy cd with 2 good songs.

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Quote Originally Posted by @irHeaD
I actually prefer having the actual cd rather than a burned one if i really like the album.
me too. honestly, i will not burn a cd or download mp3's of an artist i like, respect and feel that they are really trying to make good music. i would prefer to support them so they can keep making good stuff.


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True Dat.